Amanda Kingsmith

Amanda Kingsmith is living the digital nomad dream. As an almost full time traveler, podcaster, yoga teacher and business coach with multiple income sources, she’s as free as a bird with a meaningful and flexible career.

But her world didn’t always look this way.

“When I was in university, I was very much on that straight shot to middle manager at some oil and gas company.”

When she eventually decided to make a change from the corporate world to become a yoga teacher, she encountered a new problem: she knew how to teach yoga, but she had no idea how to make money from it to build a flexible career.

How do you get a job or get private clients as a yoga teacher?

As she was learning how to find her way in this new space, she decided that she should write down what she was learning so that she could share it with other people. After all, if she was experiencing this, other people must be too.

Amanda ended up turning her process of learning out loud about this subject into a podcast: Mastering the Business of Yoga. But with only six months of experience as a yoga teacher, there was definitely some hesitation.

“I was totally intimidated. It was definitely close to making me not even do it, but I’m glad I pushed through that imposter syndrome.” 

Listen to how Amanda’s journey started with nothing to end up where she is now with a flexible career, and her advice to anybody who’s looking to do the same thing.

“You just have to start, you have to try, you have to learn. You have to do things kind of poorly at first.

Inevitably things aren’t going to be perfect when you start, but you just need to start doing it. If you have an inkling for something, just move one step towards it. Eventually, you’ll get there.” 

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Show notes – Building a Rewarding and Flexible Career

  • How Amanda made a big career change, started working as a yoga teacher, and started a podcast to share more about what she was learning
  • You don’t have to be an expert to create content about a topic
  • Creating a Udemy course as a relatively new yoga teacher
  • Podcasting as a way to learn
  • How to stay productive when you’re working and traveling
  • Staying organized when you’re working on lots of different projects
  • You can’t predict the direction your career will take when you’re learning and investing your time in projects that help you grow
  • Planning to travel with a family
  • The power of just getting started with the things you like

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Full Transcript: – Building a Rewarding and Flexible Career

Isaac
Welcome to Career Crashers, where we tell the stories of those who are not content to wait around following rules and hoping for good things to happen. Great careers aren’t found. They’re forged.

It’s time to crash the party.

All right, today, I’m joined by Amanda Kingsmith. Welcome, Amanda to Career Crashers.

Amanda
Thanks so much for having me, Isaac. It’s great to be here.

Isaac
Yeah. So we actually had your husband on a couple episodes ago and talking about kind of his journey and the world wanderers podcast and all the travel you’ve done together while building a flexible career. But I want to talk to you about you are a yoga mogul. And somehow yoga mogul doesn’t sound right. It’s just seems a little bit strange.

But how did you end up building a very successful and location independent yoga business and flexible career? And we can sort of work from that into whatever other parts of your story we want to touch on?

Amanda
Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that’s a good question. And I haven’t taken a lot of time to actually think about all the pieces. So this will be fun to kind of go through. But, you know, my love of travel came first. And if you listen to the episode with Ryan, then you can really hear about kind of how travel was very integral in our story.

And when we got back from, you know, a big backpacking trip in South America, I kind of describe it as like my my life uterine, so I was on this highway, I was going fast towards the white picket fence and middle manager and a corporate job and having having a couple kids, which, you know, kids are great. I love your kids, Isaac, and you know, we want kids someday, as well.

But I just felt like, okay, you know, I’m 25. And I am not on the right highway. So I took a full U turn and started going a different direction. And part of that journey was creating our travel podcasts and building a flexible career. Part of it was also looking at the things that I was passionate about. And I recognize that yoga had been something I’ve been passionate about for a while. It was like, I think maybe I want to teach, but I really didn’t feel like I was ready.

And there was a couple different things that kind of pushed me in the direction of doing a teacher training at the time that I did, which was in 2015, kind of soon after this U turn that I took. As soon as I entered the teaching world, I recognized that I’d been taught in my training, everything that I needed to teach once I got in a studio, but I wasn’t actually taught how to get the job in the studio.

And for me, I had this background in business, I have a business degree, I’d been working in corporate. So I was like, Well, I guess I’ll just do what I did to get every other job I’ve gotten in my life so far, and see how that works. It ended up landing me a couple of teaching gigs. I kind of learned the things that were different about the yoga space compared to this corporate world I’ve been in.

And from there, I was like, Oh, I should write this stuff down and keep track of this. And, you know, maybe share this with other people. Because if I’m experiencing this, somebody else must be too. And I was thinking maybe I could create a blog or some sort of resource for people.

And my husband, Ryan was like, why don’t you started a podcast, you already know how to do that. I think it’d be really cool to have a business of yoga podcast, and I kind of didn’t hesitate. I was like, Oh, that’s brilliant. And I just ran with it. It’s been, I guess, four years since then, four and a half years since then. And it’s been amazing.

Isaac
So I love the the really, it sounds like an easy thing to gloss over. But I caught it because it’s so so important. When you said I’m learning how to do this. Why don’t I just share what I’m learning with other people. And that that realization, it feels intimidating people because they feel like unless I’m an expert on something, and I’ve been doing it for 20 years, I shouldn’t be trying to teach people button rather than positioning yourself as like, Hey, I’m the world’s foremost expert on on this thing. So I’ve started a masterclass.

You can you can much more, you know, sort of humbly and in a real way, hey, I’m in the process of learning how to do this. Here’s what I’ve done so far. Here’s what I’ve gathered. And you don’t even have to position yourself as some authority, but to just let what you’re learning, be transparent to learn out loud, that’s so attractive, people like that. It’s not threatening, and they’re like, Oh, I was just looking for this. That’s so helpful to me.

So I think that realization was a big one was that was that hard for you at all? Did you feel like, oh, did you have imposter syndrome? Oh, I’m not qualified to be doing a podcast about this stuff, you know?

Amanda
Oh, yeah. 100%. I mean, I was like, and I’m still relatively in comparison to many, many, you know, master yoga teachers. I’m still a little baby yoga teacher, I’ve only been teaching for five years, and I don’t teach full time. So I don’t have, you know, the teaching experience that a lot of these teachers do have under their belts. And at that point, had been teaching yoga for six months. I was like, you know, infant, like, if you compare that in the lifespan of a human like, I was like, maybe crawling like, Who am I to start this podcast and I, I very much was intimidated, and I very much was like, Who’s gonna listen to this You know who’s gonna listen to me? I don’t know if I have anything valuable to say.

And I just, I really started from a place of like, Okay, I know all these people who are successful doing this. So let’s figure out how they were doing it. Let me bring them on the show, interview them, learn from them. And then after I got, you know, I guess the first, maybe 15 or 20 episodes under my belt, I was like, Okay, I think I have some things that I want to share. Now, some things that I can put in, and I started doing more solo episodes and building out the business from there, but very much, so.

I was like, totally intimidated. And it was like, definitely close to making me not even do it which I’m grateful I pushed through that imposter syndrome.

Isaac
So you learn, you went and kind of learn how to be a yoga instructor, and then you sort of skipped quickly past the, okay, now I need to figure out how to get a flexible career doing this. So I kind of took what I knew from the business world. What was that? Like the process of trying to get hired at another yoga studio? Or the process of getting clients for your yoga business? What was that part that you were trying to figure out?

Amanda
Yeah, it was very much both of those. Both getting jobs out of yoga studio, and then also getting getting private clients. These were things that I’d never done before. And I didn’t really know how to do them. It was particularly evident to me how little I knew when we moved from Canada to Atlanta, where my husband did the Praxis program he worked for, for FEE, the foundation for economic education.

And I didn’t have a single soul in Atlanta when we moved down there. On top of that, I didn’t have a work visa. So it’s I couldn’t fall back on all these jobs I’d done before, I had to get really innovative with how I was going to bring in money. And I was like, Okay, I guess I’m just going to go to yoga studios, and I’m going to check out, you know, the studio, see if it feels like a good fit, I’m going to meet the teachers, I’m going to meet the owner, I’ll stay after class, I’ll have that awkward conversation like, Hey, I’m a yoga teacher. Are you introduced? Are you interested in you know, meeting me having an interview, you know, I created a resume.

And I did it in the in the form of like, I was very much taught in Business School, which we both know that this is this is pretty much bullshit. But like, you know, creating something that was very much here’s who I am on paper, let me showcase you know, who I am in this very boring, uninteresting way. So instead of doing that, I I brainstormed Okay, how can I make this like pretty and showcase my, my personality, and I made it on Canva. And I put photos in it and I created a video that went along with it. It kind of worked a little bit.

And I found out that the interview process for teaching yoga is usually a teaching demo, which is where you go in, and you teach for between 10 and 30 minutes so that you can showcase what you can actually offer and see if you’re a good fit for that studio. So I learned about that. And yeah, just slowly kind of figured out how to actually do this thing.

And then one thing that was interesting was, I mean, I wasn’t taught in yoga teacher training, what to expect for payment. So the first time that I interviewed and somebody was like…

Isaac
Give me like a like a vegetable like a green smoothie for payment each time or something.

Amanda
Oh, gosh, I’m sure there are studios that are doing that. But they’re they’re probably not listening to my podcast. No, it’s kind of between what I was getting paid was between $35 and $50 a class and so I did some quick math and was like, Huh, and I have to teach a lot of these classes to make a livable income.

And so then it kind of drove me further and like okay, what can I do in this industry? Or what can yoga teachers do to be sustainable and sustainable in the way of like building a business that’s gonna allow you to make money without burning out over the course of many years and that became something that I still am very passionate about helping yoga teachers with because I love studios. I think that the studio model is great in many ways but I also think that there’s you know, a lot of flaws if you want to teach full time just doing that it’s it’s virtually impossible to make a good income just based off that.

Isaac
I love that you you were crashing your your job hunt before Crash existed making making a video resume demonstrating your teaching skills doing some…

Love it. I remember I don’t know if this was before you started your business of yoga podcast. Oh, by the way, what is the name of the podcast?

Amanda
It’s called Mastering the Business of Yoga and the short form is MBOM.

Isaac
Okay, got it. I don’t know if it’s before the podcast or after you’d already started but you created a like a course on Udemy I think right? Like a beginner yoga for beginners course. What What was that experiment? Like? Was that effective? Did you make money?

Amanda
Yeah, that was definitely an interesting experiment. So that was like kind of around the same time. During the 10 months that we lived in Atlanta, I very much experimented with lots of things. So teaching creating the podcast building up the world wanderers, creating a course on Udemy and I had never created a course before and I had no idea what the heck I was doing.

Udemy does have lots of really great resources. And you know, I had a microphones, I knew how to do the audio side of things. But I was working off a four gigabyte iPhone, which is it was full all the time. So I would go to record videos and I’d record this whole video, and then I’d go look, and I’d find out that it hadn’t actually recorded because my iPhone was full, and there’s no way to tell. And I didn’t have like a good camera or anything. And I didn’t have a good space in our little apartments.

I was using one of the studios I worked at, I finally figured out this hack to plug my iPhone 4 into my MacBook and record using QuickTime. So I ended up doing that, honestly, it was like such a disaster, but I’m so glad I pushed through. And one thing that’s really funny about that is that I didn’t do anything.

Like I didn’t learn about course creation before, which was Mistake number one, I was like, I’ll just figure it out as I go. And I remember hitting publish on the course and being just like, so relieved that I did the thing. I was like, Okay, I can’t wait for this passive income to start rolling in. And, you know, it’s just crickets. I mean, nobody knows it exists. And I was like, Oh, right, I need to, like, have a marketing plan and sell this to some people and figure out who it’s for. And it was it was a hot mess.

Isaac
So you learned that that was not the format for you to, to make money on on yoga.

Amanda
A little bit, I think the courses can definitely be successful, successful. But I really don’t think that the idea of just creating a course and putting on a marketplace and not doing anything with it, and just being like, oh, bring me my passive income. I don’t think that that is sustainable at all. I think that that’s a big fallacy.

And if people are teaching that, you know, they’re making money off of you being a sucker with that stuff. So don’t don’t buy into that. I think you can certainly bring in recurring income from those types of things, but you need to sell it and you need to know who you’re selling to. And you need to have an audience and I was, you know, little baby yoga teacher with no audience. At that point, I think there was maybe like, 10 people on my email list.

And I was like, Okay, this is a whole different side of things that I need to learn. And so I really used my podcast to kind of learn how to do that stuff successfully. Like, okay, this person does have a successful course, let me bring them on. And I can learn how they’re doing that. Because, again, there’s probably somebody else out there like me, who’s worked their ass off to create this course, and hit publish, and is discouraged because nobody’s buying it.

And it’s not because it’s, you know, not good content or something like that. It’s because nobody knows it exists.

Isaac
So I love the and I think we’ve talked about this on other episodes as well. But I love podcasting, as a form of learning for the hosts themselves. I think a lot of people think of it only in terms of building an audience. But even if you never build an audience, the ability that it gives you to talk to really great people who are very successful at all kinds of different things and learn from them people that you wouldn’t just call a random yoga person, say, Hey, will you talk to talk to me for an hour? And I probably wouldn’t have the time. But if you say, Hey, will you come on my podcast for an hour? And just the ability to learn from them is so, so underrated.

How do you so you’ve been doing the podcast for four years, and you’ve been traveling? I mean, you’ll be you’ll be at a spot for a couple months at a time, various various times, but you travel a lot. How have you made that possible along with a flexible career? How can you consistently deliver episodes? And and I don’t know, if you’re still doing yoga instruction, when you’re at when you’re, you know, at places for a couple months at a time?

How do you do that with so much uncertainty of of the travel and, you know, even just technical issues, if you’re in a country and the bandwidth is bad, and all that kind of stuff? Well, what’s your what’s your process? What’s your method of keeping on top of it all?

Amanda
Oh, gosh, it’s it’s stressful. It’s definitely got its ups and downs. And you know, Ryan and I both really love to travel. So I think that you have to have that passion there. Because if you don’t like to travel, then all that other stuff is going to just be a total pain in the butt. Like, there’s definitely been times where it has been challenging where we’ve been, you know, one of us is like, cuddled up by the toilet to do a podcast interview because it’s the only place to quiet in this, you know, tiny little apartment or Airbnb that we’re staying in.

But we we started working and traveling pretty soon after Ryan finished up working at FEE and finished up Praxis, we went back to Canada for a bit. And so we left to go to Asia in 2016, the fall of 2016. That was our first like, quote unquote, digital nomad stint.

And we learned a lot about, you know, how we work together and how we travel and how, what we need separately to be able to function. We learned very quickly some of these things like for example, you know, when we went to Asia we did. We started by going like a week and a couple other places. And we quickly recognize that a week is way too fast. If you’re trying to work full time in a flexible career, it’s fine if you’re just going to visit but it’s it’s not enough time if you’re trying to have a 40 Hour Workweek and then also explore and create travel content and stuff like that.

So we learned, you know, longer, longer periods of time in places, we’ve gotten really smart with doing research about locations and making sure that either we’re going to be in a space that has two good work areas where we can work and have a flexible career. Or we look at finding an Airbnb near a co working space, it’s affordable. And so definitely takes a little bit more planning. Like, I think that there’s something to say, for having your podcast mic set up in your office and knowing that your Internet’s good consistently and your lighting is good. And, you know, there’s not going to be something crazy that happens while you’re trying to do calls or interviews or that type of thing.

So it’s just been a lot of like, kind of figuring it out as we go. And it’s been really rewarding. It’s been really fun. And having a flexible career has also been very challenging at times.

Isaac
So Ryan mentioned, and I think he was only a little bit jealous that you’re yoga podcast, has has eclipsed I think it’s eclipsed the world wonderers, podcasts in audience or downloads or whatever. Is that is that right?

Amanda
It’s getting close, it’s had some months where it is definitely been close to it. So it’s, it’s really cool. Like, when I started it, I was very uncertain if there was going to be anyone interested. It felt very niche at the time. And it’s been really amazing to see my flexible career grow, and to have people who were like, I listen to this every week. I’m like, Oh, that’s so cool. And people who are, you know, say things like, Oh, this really helps my business.

I mean, that’s why I created it was to, to help people. So yeah, it’s been really cool to see the podcast and my flexible career grow. And to see it kind of become like this, this strong, independent little sister to the world wonderers.

Isaac
You just you just cut your co host off, and all of a sudden you can sail. You know, he’s just holding you back all this time. Though, so Ryan, I’m kidding. If you’re listening, buddy.

So I got to get like nuts and bolts here. So with the two of you doing your travel and everything. What is what are your How do you make money? What are your income streams? Like? Are you monetizing? Both of your podcasts? Are you I know Ryan, does podcast editing work for other people as a flexible career. Are you doing like private yoga, instructing? What are the various sources of income that you’re managing? And that you’ve kind of done throughout the last several years?

Amanda
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So it’s definitely been, you know, I’ve done lots of different things throughout the years, but currently, my streams of income. I work for two different yoga studios. So I help them with digital marketing and management as a flexible career. So those are two steady streams of recurring income.

Isaac
And those are, those are in the city where you’re living or those are remotes, you can work for them anywhere you’re doing marketing for them as a flexible career?

Amanda
Yeah, so the one I’ve actually worked for for almost six years, or six and a half years, I’ve worked for them for a while before I even started teaching yoga. And it’s in Canmore, Alberta, where I currently and this is kind of our home when we are in Canada, which, of course due to the pandemic we are right now. And yeah, I’m able to do that remotely as a flexible career. So there’s actually not a lot that’s actually needed for me. On site. There’s definitely more stuff I take on when I am home. But I can do everything. That’s my regular tasks anywhere in the world, which is really cool.

And the other studio is actually in McLean in Northern Virginia. I’ve actually never even been to the studio. And I, you know, got hired to do some web site, work with them, which is another part of my flexible career. Then me and the studio owner connected really well, we worked really well together. And so we’ve continued to work in a different capacity, doing website updates, digital marketing, email, newsletter, that type of stuff.

So those are two income streams. I also work with yoga teachers one on one. So I do teach a little bit, particularly more when I’m at home, like I have this studio here that I can teach at sometimes teaching is something that I do love. But I’ve just been so busy over the last little bit that I’ve let that go a little bit.

And I was finding a little bit challenging to manage on top of everything else in my flexible career. And also remotely, it was a little bit challenging. So I’ve been working with yoga teachers, so helping them with their businesses, their strategies, their digital marketing, their email strategies, lots of stuff like that. So I have one on one clients. And then the podcast does make money. So I do have sponsors coming in I have affiliate programs. And so I do make, you know, a chunk of money off of that. And then the world wanderers as well has both sponsors and then Patreon support.

So there’s like a lot of different streams of income in my flexible career that kind of come from all different places. And it sounds a little bit crazy. And to some people they feel really uncomfortable with that idea. But to be quite honest, like with the global landscape over the last couple months, I felt really grateful to have income coming in from different places.

You know, a lot of our travel blogger friends have been hit really hard by this pandemic. And you know, when we have sponsors that cancel because people aren’t traveling right now, it doesn’t stress us out because both of us have other streams of income in our flexible career. And you know, fortunately yoga studios can go online and we can teach yoga online and do all of that.

So, my my flexible yoga career hasn’t been hit nearly as hard. And in fact, it’s thriving right now, even under this global crisis. So, yeah, I like having the different streams of income even though it’s like very all over the place.

Isaac
Yeah, that’s, that’s pretty amazing. And I know you’ve done I know, you’ve done career coaching. I mean, I just know you’ve done a lot of different stuff that you’ve, you know, pieced together, kind of this really interesting mix of things that you actually like and enjoy doing. And you that you can do on your own schedule. And that you can do from pretty much anywhere.

How do you on like a day to day basis within your flexible career? Do you chunk? You know, do you like chunk your time? Do you have a certain method to do all this stuff? Or do you just sort of like take everything as it comes and do a little bit of everything all the time?

Amanda
Gosh, this is like the ultimate question. And I’ve tried all sorts of things. I’ve tried like days dedicated to projects like, okay, I work only for this yoga studio one day, I do all my stuff. I do only world wonderers this day. This is my nbome day, that completely didn’t work. It just was too much stuff was coming in, and then it’d be like, Oh, well, I need to do this thing. I can’t wait till next Monday to do it. I need to just do it now.

And you know, quite honestly, it shifts like the way I prioritize different things shifts, as projects come in, as things are busier in my flexible career. You know, during this like whole craziness of coronavirus. With the yoga studios going online, there’s been a lot more hands on work with that just because running an online live studio is like an absolutely insane tasks that I completely understand why people were not doing this before because it is a ton of work and a ton of things that you can’t plan for.

So that’s required a lot of hands on different stuff. And you know, the yoga teachers I work with have required different types of needs. So for me, it’s been a lot about having some structure in my days, and then kind of fitting in the pieces as they need to do and being really adaptable to what needs to happen in the day. And some days that feels easy and fluid. Some days, it feels like a hot mess, to be quite honest.

And a lot of it’s just been about figuring out what works for me in my flexible career. So having, you know, some time in the morning to go through my emails, make sure everything’s organized, make sure my task list is ready to go is important. Making sure that like at the end of the day, I’m looking at my schedule for the next day and figuring out when I have calls and stuff like that. So that you know, I’m here and I’m ready. And I’m present. You know, I’m not trying to cook lunch while I’m talking to you and stuff like that has been really important.

Mostly it’s just come down to organization, I think if you’re going to balance a couple different things in a couple different income streams withing a flexible career, you really have to be organized.

Isaac
Is it hard for you to make sure you’re not working all the time, like, I’m sure especially if you’re traveling like Oh, you’re in a cool new place, you want to go visit some of the sites and you want to do some things. But when you have kind of no hours and in you could always be doing more stuff. Do you find that difficult to kind of put boundaries around it and say, Okay, now I need to take the next couple days off, or I need half a day off today or whatever?

Amanda
Yeah, yeah. 100% Yeah, it’s a quite honestly, like over the last, I guess probably six months to a year as things have just gotten busier workwise in my flexible career. I’ve, you know, craved vacations. And I’ve craved vacations while being in really cool places like I’m in Mexico City for Day of the Dead, or I’m in you know, Panama City. I’m like craving a vacation because I’m working all the time.

And so setting boundaries has been really important setting days where we can go do cool stuff has been important. Then just taking you know, time to actually experience the places I’m in is really important. And I mean, we learned a pretty valuable lesson with the whole like hit of this pandemic. Because we planned to be in Panama for a little longer than we ended up being there. And there’s a lot of really like bucket list items that we haven’t done in Panama despite the fact that we lived there for six months, because we were planning to do them at a different time.

And we just schedule things a bit different when we are living and kind of integrating into a place versus Okay, we’re here for a week, we got to do all this stuff, or we’re here for two weeks. We got to do all this stuff in our vacation.

So yeah, I mean, there’s definitely this this juggling act that happens between in a flexible career, like, Oh, I have to do some like admin tasks today that I don’t love to do. I’d rather go be eating tacos and exploring the city. But I need to do this to get paid. And then there’s also the times where you know, it’s 10pm that I’ve been working all day and I’m hustling to get something done and I’m like, I’m not even enjoying this place that I’m in so it’s it’s constantly a balancing act.

Isaac
So let’s say back when you were in college or there abouts or maybe when you first started your your career. Did you ever would you have been able to imagine the life that you have now like, Oh, I think I think when I grow up, I want to be a podcast host who travels and? And does marketing for yoga studios?

Amanda
Oh my gosh, no, there’s no way I feel like when I was in university, I was very much like, on that, that straight shot and middle manager at some oil and gas company because, you know, I was going to school in Calgary, and so that’s heavy resource city in Canada, and everyone was talking about oil and gas. And I definitely was not like that didn’t light me up. Like I wasn’t like, yeah, I can’t wait to do that. But I think I was just like, oh, that’s what I do.

You know, my parents grew up in that city. At that point, I was never like, Oh, I’m going to move. I definitely, you know, wanted to travel at that point. Part of what I had a lot of good friends who did like a gap year before University, and I just made a promise to myself that I do it after university. I happened to meet Ryan along the way. And we ended up doing it together, which was really cool.

I think that was really the first time where I was like, oh, there’s like a lot of cool things that you can do with your life that are not just working in an office. So I think I was kind of, I guess, like jaded a little bit before I even went into my first full time, full time corporate job. And then once I was there, I mean, the job on paper was good. It was actually really tailored towards my strengths. I was good at the role. I mean, I got paid, I think like, just over 50 K a year. I’d benefits I’d get hours I got paid to go on vacations.

I mean, that’s pretty good when you’re like 22 years old. Right, right out of university. But as soon as I finished my work, and even while I was at my cubicle, because I had to stay till a certain time, I was just googling all sorts of things like everything from getting a different degree to doing a master’s degree to volunteering in Africa to move in other places. And somewhere along the line, I was like, maybe I’ll start a travel blog. I’ll convince Ryan that we should go on another trip together. And we can start a travel blog. And that’ll be really cool.

I thought like, oh, the ultimate goal would be if I could make money while I was traveling, like that would be so cool. And I thought the only way to do that was through a travel blog. So let’s pursue that. But I mean, really, the answer is no. I mean, I was practicing yoga. At that point. I had no idea that I was going to teach.

I think I Ryan was listening to podcasts. He’d been like, Oh, you should listen to I think I was listening to Stuff Mom Never Told You one of the the HowStuffWorks podcasts was the only podcast I’ve ever listened to at that point. So like, even when Ryan is like, we should start the world wanderers. It was like, You can’t just start a podcast like we’re not radio hosts. We’re not actors. And he’s like, No, you actually can just start one. That’s like, What? Who are we to start a podcast?

Isaac
I love that. I mean, and I think that’s almost universally true, not entirely, but where the thing that you find that you really love is not something could have known ahead of time or plotted a path to but if you just kind of keep following those little Inklings those little itches that you have one by one, you end up, you end up there.

Alright, so I’m going to wrap I’m going to bring it home with to two questions. The first is, what do you think will be different about your life and five years from now?

Amanda
That’s a good question. I mean, like I said, Before, we do want children, I’m 31. Now so my, my clock is ticking, I would imagine in five years that hopefully we have at least one child, maybe two and the idea of stepping into not only being you know, business owner and a traveler, and entrepreneur, but also being a parent is like pretty intimidating. So I think that that’ll be a big life change in the next five, five ish years.

Isaac
Do you do you plan to still travel extensively with children?

Amanda
I’d like to. We have lots of friends that travel with their kids. And it’s really cool to see the way that they interact with the world and that sort of thing. I mean, I think that one of the and you would know this better than me having four kids and doing this a lot longer, obviously. But I think you just don’t know what your kid is going to be like. And I want to be open to the idea that maybe we have a kid that really doesn’t adapt well to travel.

I think it’s possible to encourage, you know, kids to have those experiences, because they’re so adaptable, but I also would hate to have it in my head, like, yeah, we’re gonna travel full time with a kid and then be disappointed because my kid doesn’t want to do that or something like that.

Isaac
That you are, you’re very wise. I probably because we, you know, had kids so Young, maybe, maybe that’s part of it, but I completely underestimated how each kid is so different. And they each have a temperament of their own and be just assuming like, Oh, it’s gonna be great. My kid is gonna love to play baseball with me or go traveling or whatever. Just being aware that, you know, there are going to be differences in things. That’s that’s, that’s a good that’s a good perspective.

So final question for you. I think it’s probably easy for people listening, and especially, you know, younger people who are either looking for their first job and they’re like, I just need to make money like right now. I don’t, it’s not an option for me to go just do something amazing, or I’m in a job. And Amanda’s life sounds amazing.

And I think many people think it sounds amazing for many of them, they may not enjoy it, like not everyone will enjoy it, you know, crammed in a in next to a toilet in a hotel, trying to record a podcast so that you can get it out, you know, the next morning. It all sounds romantic. But I think for certain people, they maybe overestimate how awesome it is. But it is an awesome life. Like you have a truly awesome life.

You’re calling the shots in many ways, for people who just feel like, okay, that’s out of reach. that’s unrealistic for me, like, that sounds cool. I’m jealous, but I don’t know what to do. How can I achieve that? What do you say to that?

Amanda
Yeah, that’s a really good question. And I think the first thing is, you need to believe that it’s possible. I think that when you don’t believe in doing something, I mean, who else is going to believe in you, there might be some cheerleaders or coaches along the way that can kind of nudge you in that direction. But I think we really need to believe that we can do something.

And maybe it’s like naive to be, you know, young and have these big ambitious dreams. But I think those are the people that go out and try to achieve them. And if you just sit back in a corporate job, which which I could have done, I could have just sat in that job and been like, Oh, well, you know, being a travel blogger could be cool. But I don’t know how to make a website, or this is impossible for me, or I’m not that good of a writer.

I mean, there’s so many things, I could have said, I don’t have a good camera. Instead, I was just like, I’m gonna create a crappy little website, and I’m gonna start writing some stuff. And, you know, maybe my grandma will be the only one who will read it. And that’s okay, we’ll try something, I think that you just have to start, you just have to try, you just have to learn, you have to do things kind of poorly at first, you know, I don’t listen to our first episodes of the world wanderers, because I know they’re cringe worthy. I know they’re not good.

I don’t look back at that course. Because I know it’s not good, you know, is the first time I did those things. And inevitably, things are not going to be perfect when you start but you just need to start doing it. So I guess to kind of package that in something that feels more, I guess concise for people, I think Believe in yourself and believe that it’s possible to achieve something that maybe feels unreachable. Just start by changing your mindset. And then if you have an inkling for something, just move one step towards it, you don’t have to have it all figured out.

But just take a step towards that if you want to take a trip, you know, book a trip to the neighboring state or go on a road trip or, you know, go to one of the neighboring countries, if you’re in the US go to come visit me in Canada, you know, go down to Mexico, just do something that’s little to try and get you towards that next step. And, you know, eventually you’ll get there.

Like, if you were talking to me in 2012, who was working full time, and you were like, hey, in 2020, you’re going to make more money than you do now. And you’re going to get to control your schedule, and you’re going to get to work from anywhere in the world. I would have been like you’re full of it. 100% You’re full of it. Stop dangling the carrot in front of my face. That’s not fair.

Isaac
Sorry. Sorry. I brought up that Udemy course I didn’t know that…

Amanda
No, no, no, it’s so people can buy it. It’s fine. But like I don’t, I’m not like, I know that. It’s not as good as I could create something now and I feel good about that. Because if it was the same level, as I had created in 2015, 2016 I mean, I would feel kind of disappointed in the way that I’d advanced with the side note of if somebody had produced that for me at this would be totally different.

Isaac
Yeah, no, I’m this guy. I completely relate. All the earliest stuff that I made is is embarrassing. I think I remember Tim Ferriss sharing the first version of his blog. It’s like one of the ugliest things you know you’ve ever seen. So yeah, that’s, that’s such a great a great point. Like you just have to start something to get the momentum going. You have to do it bad before you can do it good.

So hey, Amanda, thank you so much for coming on and joining us. Where is the best place for people to find more about you your yoga podcasts etc.?

Amanda
Yeah, yeah, if you’re interested specifically in the yoga stuff and just checking out how I’ve created that it’s mbomyoga.com. So M B O M yoga.com. If you’re looking for more of just a general place to find everything that I’ve done, including this Udemy course that we’ve talked about you can just go to my website which is AmandaKingsmith.com.

I have a pretty unique name. So if you just Google Amanda Kingsmith, you basically find everything that I’m up to

Isaac
A top level domain man, I actually I know a guy I have a friend who his dad purchased domains for each of the kids like when they were born like 20 years ago, whatever. back before anybody was doing that. And you know, you got it. If you can get your name.com it’s a win. So AmandaKingsmith.com. Check it out. Thank you so much for coming and chatting with us.

Amanda
Thank you so much for having me, Isaac.

Isaac
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