Career Crashers Podcast: How Jonathan Williams was able to Revolutionize the Job Hunt

This week on Career Crashers, Joel is joined by Jonathan Williams to talk about Jonathan’s experience on how he was able to revolutionize the job hunt before and after finding Crash.

For the first month of being laid off I was doing job applications the old school way. And it sucked. I sent out so many resumes and spent like eight hours a day on the job stuff. And I think I only heard back from one company.

Now, Jonathan is a newly hired customer success associate at ChartHop who used Crash tools and mindset to revolutionize the job hunt and quickly found success.

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Show notes – How Jonathan Williams was able to Revolutionize the Job Hunt

  • Showing your personality in your job hunt, and how it helps.
  • Jonathan’s story, trying to find a meaningful career after college.
  • Getting laid off due to COVID.
  • Job hunting the old fashioned way and how it’s so disheartening.
  • Turning things around by a mindset shift and being able to revolutionize the job hunt.
  • Harnessing your passion to find and pitch a company you love.

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Full Transcript: – How Jonathan Williams was able to Revolutionize the Job Hunt

Welcome to Career Crashers, where we tell the stories of those who are not content to wait around following rules and hoping for good things to happen. Great careers are found. They’re forged.

It’s time to crash the party.

I’m stoked to be joined by Jonathan Williams, who is Customer Success associate at short hop, newly crowned title for him. He is a fresh Crash user. And he pitched his way in to a customer success job and was able to revolutionize the job hunt. Living the dream now. Jonathan Williams, welcome to the show.

Thanks. Thanks for having me. I’m grateful to be here. Yeah. If you’re wondering what the dream looks like. This is it. Oh, it’s my birthday. I didn’t tell you that.

Oh, happy birthday. Sweet.

Yeah, when? Yeah. 30 stuff hanging all over my office. But that’s that’s why.

Well, I love that you just mentioned all that. Because one of the elements of your pitch to Chart Hawk was showing your personality and talking about you love baseball. And that’s one of the the joys of and the benefits of Crash. It’s showing your humanity showing your personality to revolutionize the job hunt.

Your you’re wearing the Yankees jersey right now. I’m a Red Sox fan. Not Not Not sure if we can go on with this podcast. But we will persevere nonetheless. Okay.

So tell us your backstory of it. And how you came across Crash to revolutionize the job hunt?

Yeah. So I grew up in Chattanooga, Tennessee. So that’s about two hours south of Nashville and went to college there at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. And I majored in history education. And I don’t know if any listeners are looking to do education or education, it’s great. Don’t go to UTC there their whole time. Yeah, I wouldn’t really set up for success in that department.

I didn’t start taking my actual education classes until my senior year. So once I was in the classroom, I had to some years I took a victory lap, as I like to call it. And when I finally got the classroom, I it dawned on me. I don’t really want to do this at all. This is miserable. I, my background before college, and in the summers, I would work at a summer camp. And so I loved interacting with kids as like the fun camp counselor. But when it came to planning out their futures and curriculum it’s a very highly politicized field anyway. And so I did not have fun with it.

So I finished out and I got my degree without the certification teach. And from there was just sort of after the big question mark on, what am I going to do for a career? I played in a couple bands at the time in Chattanooga, and kind of always wanted to do music.

So I moved to Nashville in 2015. And hustled music stuff pretty hard up there for four months. And, you know, I was not a stranger in that town. On the sense of like, I wasn’t the only one hustling music, I was a complete stranger in that town. It’s a huge town, and everyone’s doing music.

And I got really burnt out after four months. Because I’d made all these friends and bars like having small, very surface level music conversations. But I really feel like I had people that knew me and cared about me outside of like musical aspirations.

So and also I was working in a, I was able to get a job teaching preschool at the time. The first role I could get as a preschool teacher to read to five year olds, in a classroom that was inclusive to students with exceptional education requirements. So we’d have kids on the autism spectrum, or some of the more hearing impaired.

And after doing that job, I booked my first tour like playing acoustic music. And I thought I’d made it and so I quit that job. I did the tour like a month. Then I got back and just sort of up a creek without a job. So I moved around for been and tried to find something that would still let me do music stuff.

And I went to a career fair. There was a company that was just hiring entry level Customer Success representatives. So to apply for the job and got the role and didn’t fall in love with that. I’m still kind of like trying to balance and figure out how I could pursue music full time while making enough money to pay the bills and ended up leaving that job after a year and a half, then drove Uber.

That was kind of what we were just blowing up inside. I figured I’d have more free time, if I wasn’t sitting in an office from nine to five. And that was not the case. I was still like, I think I was working more hours driving Uber just trying to make ends meet.

And so took a role at Jimmy John’s the same lunch delivery place, delivering sandwiches. And that added some consistency to my schedule. But for the year and a half that I was there was just this constant battle of like, trying not to be underemployed. That was kind of an uphill fight.

Because I, you know, I spent all this time like, learning skill sets. And I knew that if I committed to, like a career, I would probably excel at it and do well enough and got to the point where like, the timeline kind of met up where I was starting to get burned out like on music stuff. Realizing that it was very feasible to like pour into a career and I really didn’t have much control over my music getting discovered or picked up.

And so it’s just hard riding bikes in, in the rain. In the winter, I moved to the downtown branch of Jimmy John’s house riding bikes all over Nashville. And it was took off all my my feelings was getting just hard. I applied and got a job back with the first company that I worked with. And once I got that job I Yeah, kind of like went all in on and I’ve worked really hard and tried to like dive into the career of customer success, and enjoyed it a lot.

So from there, I was wanting to find a role where I’d be able to work remote. Either part time or full time. And I had a friend who worked for a healthcare tech company. She was doing customer success, slash QA, back end testing, it was leaving her job. And so she referred me and the interview process was like one interview, and then they hired me. So I was kind of taken aback.

So I left that job and worked on Tuesdays and Thursdays. And then the rest of the days I was in the office. That job included a lot of backend processes and learning about like API’s. I was monitoring Ei dashboards, because the company would scan and digitize health care, insurance records, and file claims to the companies. And so the software was using OCR stuff to scan the documents, and then sorted out now that a lot of different tools that helped organize those documents and diving in and learning the technical processes was just like another element to like a career path.

But um, I really enjoyed and there was still the customer success side where I was handling the incoming requests or bug reports from users and then communicating that to the back end. there were still some part of that job for like, the first year I was sort of getting used to it and also figuring out like how seriously I wanted to take it.

I think there was like a little fire me on doing music stuff or trying to do music stuff full time. And then this is the job started to make more sense. COVID hit and there wasn’t really any shows or music happening at all. And I just sort of put all that into work and ended up really liking it. Then my wife and I moved in October of this last year town, Auburn, Alabama.

And two weeks after we closed on our house, I got laid off from my job. So sort of a very unexpected, I actually just talked about Boston finished, like kind of it was a performance. What’s it called it was a pit performance review, but now implements a performance improvement plan. There was an incident where I’d like dropped the ball a little bit. And I think it was kind of more something that was initiated cautionary like hey, I want you around.

But if we’re going to like, move forward with your career, like we need to know you’re committed to these things inside, I’d done the PIP and kind of killed it and thought we were okay. And then a month went by and they laid me off just because of COVID. It had finally started to impact their company. And I’d always kind of feared and felt like my role if anything ever happened would be jeopardized.

Because it was such a weird balance between working on the dev team and then working on the client Experience team and it’s sort of like, I felt very much like a master of none in my job.

And so Um, so yeah, I got laid off. For the first month of being laid off, and I was doing job applications, the old school way, and it’s awesome. Sending out so many resumes. And then I would spend like eight hours a day, working just on job stuff.

And I think I only heard back from one company the entire time. I probably sent out like 35, 40 resumes. And it was really disheartening. I’ve made the point, more than I made the decision. I wanted to go back to school to get a degree in something that I’ve cared about. So I was planning on going to Auburn to do graphic design, and got into the university.

And turn out I didn’t have in-state tuition. So we were here long enough in town to to get that. And so about that point is when I tuned into old Thomas E. Woods and heard heard your podcast.

My podcast meeting, I appeared on Tom Woods show talking about Crash and you would so you just been laid off and you just moved to a new place. And I’m sure that like you said it was disheartening. And tell us about that internal state shift of when you kind of started realizing that there was a new, modern, creative, empowering approach to win the job.

Man, that is a that is a loaded-ass question. And I got a really, really good question. I it was like, Yeah, like, it’s like a light bulb. Pretend that light bulb isn’t just like a 60 watt. It’s like an nucular blast. I wasn’t super discouraged after losing my job. I knew that like working really hard and kind of losing my role over the past six months, especially during the performance improvement plan.

Like I was like, Alright, I can do this. If I like stick my nose to the grindstone, and like really take interest in care and like personal ownership with what I do. Like, it turns out really well. And that’s been the case for me for my whole life. Like if I actually cared about something and worked really hard on it, it would usually turn out nice. And the hard thing was for me to get motivated enough to find things that I cared or liked.

So So yeah, like when I found when I heard the podcast that you were on on Thomas’s occupying town, it’s I don’t know, on Tom’s podcast, I, that was kind of like that week, I just figured out I didn’t have let’s say tuition. And so I have to hold off on going back to Auburn if I was going to go back. Like, I went on the website, and like, I tried to explain, I was excited. That doesn’t really do much justice. But it was it was seeing something that produced very clear results.

And that Yeah, like brought out the personality and kind of allowed you to show yourself as a human being instead of just a piece of paper sliding across an automated machine figuring out if you are qualified or not. Yeah, I mean, it was the whole Crash process. And kind of like, putting the tools in my hands to find the career that I wanted to do was, it really was my favorite part of 2020.

I, like motivated me to get up every morning and make a schedule for myself. Some a lot of the books that I read about habit forming, per the recommendation of a CEOs that I was researching, because Crash encourages you to do that. It just sort of put everything in a very tangible space in front of me. It helped frame just self improvement in general as a lot of small steps, not just one leap.

That’s another character defect of mine. I would say is that I take a lot like too much satisfaction, just instant results. Sitting down putting forth effort and knowing that like, as I sit down to learn a new thing. At the end of the day, it’s not about spending one day doing it and then having it all figured out. Like I have to, I constantly want to working on something I don’t understand. I feel really discouraged that I’m not an expert after day one.

And so being mindful of that and knowing like okay. I’m feeling overwhelmed by how much I could know and that I don’t know today. But I can give myself a pat on the back and be really proud of myself. Because today I put one hour down just to read about one tech industry. I know more after that one hour than I knew yesterday. Not an expert, but like, the consistency of which eventually I gets kind of started to compile itself.

And it’s the same thing with working on pitches. I like, you know, seeing a lot of the pitches that are on the website, get really excited about it, and then get overwhelmed because I didn’t have the perfect pitch yet. And then I kept working on it. Like, Okay, if there’s like, three hours into this looks better than they did yesterday. Keep hacking away at it.

And yeah, I was just like, you know, you like, I don’t know, if you have ever dealt with this, but you’re, you’re told things for your whole life and like, you know them, but then when you have to live through them, it like hits you like, Oh, I know that now. Like you actually know that it sits in it. Yeah, you actually marinate. Yeah, I think it was great as a catalyst.

I love that Crash was one of the highlights for 2020 because that was for many those a hard year and, and it’s cool to hear your whole story here.

When you talking about, you know, riding bikes at Jimmy John’s and then getting laid off and then boom, then all of a sudden, you realize you can take charge, you know, you have the ability to empower yourself, create value, prove that value. And you you took it on you found out about Crash, and then you applied it, you executed on it, you took it by the horns, because it’s not gonna happen any other way.

And you leaned into some that sort of growth process like shit, like you said, at the beginning, it was a little uncomfortable, it’s really common, when you’re shooting the video for the first time. Even though we’re all sort of used to video in so many ways, you actually turn on the recording function and you look in the camera for 60 seconds straight, all of a sudden, you can be a deer in the headlights.

And you would you had a DMed me a couple practice pitches and, and I was giving you some feedback. And it was a really cool to see how that you grew through that word. At the beginning, you kind of uptight, a little bit. And a little, like I said deer in the headlights kind of thing.

But then you you just kept on growing and learning and taking taking action and and this pitch which we’ll link to in the show notes that you want the chart hop job for. You’re just like relaxed and open and friendly and showing your personality and talking about your interest and why you love the company. And that’s that’s that’s the growth, the growth process. And it’s really awesome to see that unfold.

So talk to talk to us more about the process. How long were you on the job hunt total? What was your what was that sort of daily routine? What? How did you go from beginning to feeling more confident and flesh out what it took to actually execute and revolutionize the job hunt?

Yeah, so daily routine, break it down for you, Joel, thank you for asking, wake up each morning set, I was set my alarm. And I tried to like maintain go to bed early wake up early in my schedule, but also being unemployed. You know, there were nights where certain Netflix shows had to be finished. If they weren’t finished, the world might have ended so and I would have died on finishing them.

So but when I could, I would try to get up and have my feet on the ground by seven every morning, my lovely wife works at a coffee shop down here. So I would cruise over to the coffee shop and get coffee and go back to the room. drink my coffee, take some breaths, turn on my computer. I’m just kidding, I’m not going to do this. I would though schedule. Schedule out like I am going to dedicate an hour to learning HTML. And then I’m going to dedicate this chunk of like, six hours to working on my website.

Because when I found Crash, I didn’t have any sort of content on my on myself online to revolutionize the job hunt. So I bought the domain and spent about a week constructing the website and the course that you guys have on the Crash website was also very paramount. I have referred Crash to pretty much everybody I know that is looking for a job. And I’ve said it like invest in yourself on the course because if you’re kind of like confused on what you want to be doing, or if you know what you want to be doing but just want to know more about the industry like the resources are abundant and there’s there’s so much stuff there to revolutionize the job hunt.

So I would, you know, spend a certain amount of time working on a Crash pitch, take a break for lunch, maybe have a chick fil a, and then get back at it. And then I’m just trying to like, find scheduled time to do like, leisure activities are also kind of mind stimulating. So I’d like to read books or other things. Repeat the question because I got lostl

How did you go about finding companies? That’s what I’m curious about?

Great question again. My boy, Jeremy, you know, works for very used to work for Crash, is still involved some of the Crash, I believe.

Yeah, he’s still involved Crash.

Yeah, he, he has a bunch of stuff on Notion that he said about how to find pitchable companies, I think they’re they’re not just his exclusive, I think they belong to Crash or they’re involved with Crash. But he used his Crash…

JoelSo you, so you had not necessarily a whole lot of exposure to the tech world. And you kind of started diving into there, and then how many companies that you have in your list to start?

I have like six or seven that I was really interested in, had a couple that I reached out to people that I knew worked there through LinkedIn. My brother works for LinkedIn. And so I had the premium access and was able to like message people and do that stuff to revolutionize the job hunt. So and also having him worked at LinkedIn, like super helpful on, he would send me a lot of resources through them.

So I had a long list. But then there are a couple lists that are a couple companies that were not found really connected with and chart hop. And the company that eventually got a job with was one that like, really, really fell in love with their platform. It’s a human resources infrastructure system. And so it manages people.

And they do it in a very, like aesthetically pleasing and thoughtful way. So you integrates with like, applicant tracking systems like green house, zip recruiter, and things like that. And it pulls in data sets, 3 can post jobs. But then once you have those people that will sleep, the main goal of charge off is to promote transparency across an organization.

And say, I’m just reading more about the company and researching out, dow just come out with this. I mean, this is something that really excites me and and it’s fun to look at and read about. So yeah, phones are hopping, maybe.

So you had sort of a few angles going at once. Once you’ve found Crash to help revolutionize the job hunt, you started taking the Crash course, which by the way, to see more about the Crash course.

But you realize you didn’t have a digital portfolio, you didn’t have a personal website yet, you took a week on that and just got that up, to have a presence so that when someone looked you up, they would see a respectable professional presence. And then you started digging into companies and, you know, tapping into your own network with your visitors, your brother who works in LinkedIn.

So you have the portfolio element, you have the networking element, that finding companies element, and then you find turnout, that’s really exciting to you. And you, you have a list of a few others, but this is one of your top choices, because you are excited about what they’re all about. So then you decided to pitch them and you created a custom project for them. Is that right?

Yep. I one of the things that they include in their software is different bundles. So you can you can if your organization is tied to tripod, you import your employee roster through their website, and it displays everyone that works with your company in a really cool interactive table. Looks like a family tree. But you can move it around and within each roll. You can include details like what team they’re on their location.

You there are like this is like sensitive you but you can you compensation, equity. And it all is displayed. So one of the bundles that they include is include Myers Briggs personality type, and I have some experience with that in the summer camp that I thought was really interesting. And I feel like personality types in general, are, are a helpful tool, some people like to box themselves and move them.

But other people like, it’s a really helpful thing that kind of promotes self awareness. And I think that’s a super important thing to revolutionize the job hunt. So just like the company’s like recognition of that as a way to, like help employees know each other kind of caught my attention. So they have a bunch of blog posts on their website, just referencing that you can filter by that way, and they didn’t have really the why.

And, in a lot of other articles and blog posts on the website, they state the why really clear that they are, they’re promoting transparency across the organization. And they’re emphasizing on diversity, equity and inclusion in the workplace. A lot of companies and great thing are trying to be mindful of who they’re hiring, just to give voice to people that that historically, really haven’t had much of a voice and, and I also really respected that a lot to put their money where their mouth is, and to just, you know, bring out action to, to bring people in.

So yeah, I wrote a blog post, really diving into the why personality types, and I tied that in, because like, gathering my thoughts there. Like you, the company promoting diversity and equity and inclusion. Like it’s all that’s a, that’s a fantastic goal. And like, it’s clear that chartoff is using their actions to promote that in so many other ways.

However, the tools that they include to help employees know and understand each other, are really important. And so why of that is like, companies that, like they know and understand the story and the humaneness behind each base that work there are going to work better as a whole because they like they’re they’re interacting with humans, it’s kind of the same thing that crash brings class, like you see a video of somebody, you’re recognizing the human Wilson them.

And so personality types, can be a way that I’ve found just to try to understand the humaneness behind people. So I, I sort of broke that down the blog post as to why. Why they do that. And I wrote it from the perspective of like, marketing or customer success person that wrote that and sent it in with my pitch and got a response back from the hiring manager. I think within like 30 minutes, I got it. Yeah. And she was like, I appreciate the content, would you be free for an interview, and that was it.

I love that you just follow your your excitement, your interests, your curiosity, you follow the company itself that was aligning with your values, and then you went a little deeper found their blog to revolutionize the job hunt. You know, you weren’t spending days and days and days researching, but you did a little bit of digging way more than anyone who’s taking the conventional job hunting resume blasting approach. And all of a sudden, you’re at the top 1% of candidates because you did that digging.

Not only that you created blog post, like breaking down, you know, and that’s why they, you know, she responded within 30 minutes, really elated about it. And that’s the sensation. I suspect for many hiring managers they feel this sense of, they’re special, and they’re seen, and they’re excited, because, oh, someone made this just for our company.

Oh, the companies are people too, right. So she’s feeling seen because this is a company she works for. And now you made her feel like she matters because you’re saying that their company matters. And this personality test matters. It’s just humanizing the entire experience, of course of that particular value is is part of that is ChartHop’s mission as well. So you’re just like following your values following your interests.

And that I think is an underlying theme here that allowed you to, to, to win the offer, ultimately. So what was that? What was that application, the interview process? Like? Did you had you keep following up? Were there times where you weren’t sure about it?

Yeah, there’s a long time. So they they sit back the email response to my initial application way faster than I anticipated. And so I heard that response.

You know, we appreciate the application thoughtful content attached to it. When can you be free for an interview so I emailed her back within like 20 minutes. I was trying to play cool and not jump the gun but I also wanted to get on while she was completing your computer. So I sent the follow up email and I didn’t hear anything for like a month, maybe even longer than a month and I send follow up emails in between like, every week, I would kind of say, Hey, you know, hope you’re doing well, but I would kind of personalize it a little bit, but just just to stay on their brain.

And yeah, stayed busy with that and actually built another pitch to another company, in the interim process who kind of sparked my interest and well may just like last, like chart hop, they also responded, I think they’re smaller, quicker, I think they were within 20 minutes.

So the two amp chart fair enough to amp Crash up a little bit, both applications that I spent, like time research behind and made a project for I got responses back. And so if that note, toot your horn, I don’t know what does. I’ve actually like interviewed and got rejected from the second company that I applied for while waiting for charter.

The second company that I applied for is this really cool startup in the West Coast that tries to bring mindfulness into alcohol intake. So without the bull by complete sobriety, you use text message based tracking to track your drinks and build mindfulness around that and their co founder, there were only two other boys. We interviewed twice, super nice guy. And inevitably emailed me back and said, Hey, like, we have to go with somebody who’s a little more experienced at scaling business.

But if you’re free for 10 minutes, I’d love to just touch base quickly today, and jump on a zoom call with him later that afternoon. And he’s like, I don’t typically do this. Like, I’m not, nobody else got the stream in. But we just want to say like we we loved your application, we were super impressed by the video, and I wrote a blog post for them as well, there were so impressed by that, I don’t know, if you’re, you know, you’re gonna continue searching for the jobs.

But we’re scaling quickly, this new year, if you’re still free in the next three and a half, four months, you know, you’re at the top of our candidate list. So if you’re open to that, we’d love to reach back out and was like, Yeah, of course. But that like I think a few days later, I heard back from chart hop.

So there’s, there’s a chart hop, bring her back in charge up. And the hiring manager was like, hey, do you would you like to do an interview later this week? My first thought was, where have you been? And then second thought was? Yes, absolutely.

So I scheduled an interview with them. And we went in went super well, they complemented the the Crash application. From there, I got access to their sandbox environment. And this was right over the Christmas break this last year, and I spent Christmas break, kind of playing around the sandbox, going over their support documentation and trying to read through that. And their support documentation really needed some work.

So I wrote support guy wrote one of their support guide articles and sent that back in after the holidays rover, got another fast response email, and they were really impressed with what they’ve been able to figure out without any context.

That’s really that’s really key right there to revolutionize the job hunt. Like you kept the Crash mentality up. After you’d already pitched you already interviewed, then there’s another assignment, you’re continuing to signal that you go above and beyond you’re trying to analyze what pain points could you can you identify that and ways to improve, you know, projects and in show that you’re thinking about things from their perspective, which is really the key.

So that got you like a second interview and or other close out?

Yeah, so from there, like, Yeah, when I got the access to the sandbox environment, like that, was it that was a foot in the door, I was like, okay, we’re, we’re in like, we, it’s a closed software, you have all you here to basically pretend like you’re employed except for you’re not.

So I’d spent the past three months charting out my days to, like, stay productive and just chip away at things to revolutionize the job hunt. I just approach that with the same thing. Alright, we’re going to spend four hours today looking at this is a, I found out very quickly that chart chart hop is an extremely dense software that is so much more than what I’ve read about it, then it’s a great thing, but there’s so much more.

I feel like this first week of my new job, I’m drinking from a firehose, but it’s like really exciting stuff. So anyways, I have the second interview with the head of a different department after sending my support, documentation project That interview went really well. Week later, I had another interview with the original hiring manager, just to kind of go over the needs of the company.

Oh, no, from there, I think I got the offer, I think they got on a zoom call with the hiring manager that I provisionally emailed. And she was like a virga worldview, like, you know, we, you know, to be frank, like your background, you’re a little under qualified for the position.

We’re, the only hesitancy that we have on our end is we don’t like, you know, give you this job you applied for, and have you come in and just be like, immediately swamp like, that wouldn’t be productive for us. And it certainly wouldn’t be productive for you.

But there’s kind of a hybrid role that we are talking about, because our documentation has such a need to be revamped. Like that would be kind of the focus of your job, you have a small base of territory, or customers to manage. But mostly, you’re going to be focusing on documentation, and kind of organizing and structuring that for us. And, I mean, again, like I fully credit Crash for giving you the tools just prove my value to a company.

Like, that was a reality, like I was under ball roll. And yet they they lack some application, and they saw that I was willing to at least chip away at something I didn’t understand. And they created a hybrid role. For me to, to do and like me, it’s been like the most overwhelming intro week of my life.

But it also has been, it’s just been great. Like, I couldn’t be more grateful asked for asper job, remember thing I got, I got my little birthday.

So great man, you, you signal them and show them that you have curiosity, but you have a growth mindset that you’re willing to learn and, and that was more important than your, your background, your your hard skills, necessarily, you’re showing them that you’re interested in them and you were able to revolutionize the job hunt.

They’re going to take action, take initiative, all those soft skills, anyone can choose to have those and revolutionize the job hunt, right, you can choose to be the type of person who’s going to go above and beyond who’s going to have a hunger to learn all those things or choices. You know, that’s why it’s so great. And that’s why it’s so empowering.

It doesn’t matter if you have the qualifications that you’re supposed to have to get those roll. That’s you can Yeah, there’s value in having experience and whatnot. But there’s a lot you can, you can show that’s gonna put you over the top. And it’s beautiful thing so awesome.

Jonathan Williams, thanks for sharing your story of how to revolutionize the job hunt. You can see Jonathan’s pitch at, check it out. It’s fun little pitch, because he’s blog post.

Jonathan, any last words of wisdom for anyone looking to break into a tech role?

Um, I’m sure that I’m not a pioneer by saying this. But I’ll say it anyway. Because it it’s worth repeating is not to be afraid of learning. It doesn’t really matter. Like, what, for me, it didn’t matter what my lack of understanding or understanding was like, I found something that I care enough about learning.

And I think the thing that gave me so much sense of accomplishment, was learning something in having my passion for that thing grow just because I’ve learned Yeah, just I get overwhelmed so easily by things. And I think being able to break it down for myself and be mindful of how overwhelmed I did, and then continue to be tenacious about making time to sit down and do and it’s just, it’s a game changer.

Like, I couldn’t stress enough for me, at least for folks like me that just taking the little steps to get to a long term path. And this is really what it’s all about, you know, being frustrated about those little steps or feeling antsy or overwhelmed by not being at the end goal.

You’re a human being like, it’s an entirely normal thing to feel that way. And like what what a great reason to reward yourself at the end of the day because you did something that like you felt was small and insignificant, but it’s not. And I think that’s the kind of the main thing is just like, don’t be discouraged by the chipping away process. Like it is discouraging, but you don’t have to be discouraged by you know?

Love it. One step at a time. Build momentum. Results compound. Thanks so much, Jonathan. It’s been a blast.

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